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The idea was to try and find out what people think is 'sufficient'...'feed, clothe and keep the family' seems to be an arbitrary concept nowadays! Which is probably why your expectations of the 'safety net' are possibly lower than others who expect things we might consider luxuries as their right!

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nice one... but maybe this should be in another area?

The tax payer's alliance have doubled up the debts in that video.. £3.5trillion is nearer the mark... Still impossible to pay back though...!

Unlike Mark Littlewood in that clip (co-founder of no2id), I don't have faith in this country's general population.... Because there are too many people who are too thick to stand on their own two feet!...That is partly due to successive government's policies, but also due to their inability to take control of their own lives! It's all become too easy! Well wake up people, 'cos there is a huge sh*t storm coming our way and there is nothing to stop it!

Or cheese... Funny how things never change down the years... A clear case of 'Quantitative Cheesing' if you ask me...... :Cool:

OK own up - who turned phil into a reasoned individual...lol Any more 'agreement' tonight and I'm going to have to renew my passport in order to head up north to buy you the beer for that toast !!

Up to this point I was mostly agreeing with you... I Just had to omit the last 2 lines, but then you understand why... :Laugh:

You could take all money away from 90% of the people in this country and it wouldn't even dent our national debt - which is completely different from our yearly deficit! And it doesn't matter who was/is in power, they are still following the thatcherite doctrine! which is why we are completely f*cked, and the sooner people realise that the sooner we will come to accept our fate as being the next member of the 'third world' countries list!

Anything but the basics to live your life better than 90% of the people on this planet... A reasonable place to live, food, healthcare, education, and the chance to get a job.. What has gone wrong is the definition of the above (apart from healthcare) that people now expect unreasonably! I read that the average monthly spend on food for a family of 4 (on benefits) is now £450...Our family of 4 (not on benefits) eat like royalty on a monthly food budget of £250. All it takes is a little planning and careful seasonal shopping! I wouldn't have believed that previously, because a decade ago our family of 2 (before the kids) spent £400/month without thinking about it... We are a nation that has got used to greed, and that has to change! I have an issue with that too, as I believe we are all to blame...we have come to expect a lifestyle that our nation cannot sustain, and when the birds have come home to roost we are all left with egg on our faces! And it would still be peanuts... You have to go after multinationals to make any real difference, but then as the vodaphone £6bn shows, it ain't gonna happen! Welcome to the 'third world' UK stylie... :Winky: Yeah, but she was the architect of this downfall....this is her 'system' coming to fruition!

OK, here's an answer that also won't be universally liked.. "is that just tough sh1t on them?"...Yes! And the reason...because it's the fact (as I've said before) that the monetary loss normally goes on stuff that shouldn't be paid for by the state in the first place. Everyone (apart from the f*ckers at the top, but that's another story) is taking a hit, and like it or not those on benefits will have to do the same as the rest of us.. The alternative as I've always said is to take on the system!

Blimey...I should have put this in loggerheads! I can see both sides on this, and the comments so far have quite galvanising... Maybe I should have put 'if you are fit to work' as part of the question...I didn't mean to put those who aren't able to in the same position as those who are but won't...(that's what the tory's are trying to do btw!) But All1... all that aside, I find it interesting that you would want more to cover things that you no doubt pay out for anyway. I find that not much different than the argument MP's put out about claiming for food at their second home whilst ignoring the fact that they would be eating the same wherever they were living! ps . nothing wrong with boiled egg sandwiches - that's why we have 4 chickens!

Just thought I'd get an idea of what people actually think regarding work/benefits raised in the other thread.

Student fees protest: 'This is just the beginning' well pardon me, but f*ck you mr 'senior conservative'... This is just the begining... :Winky:

It has to start somewhere in a politically unaware country... So far I still stand by my prediction/hope that summer 2011 will be the flashpoint...

Good, the students are finally getting the message... Link :Thumbs_Up1:

Try putting in 'Jamers' and choose 'I'm feeling lucky'... Just don't tell the boss....

But it does beg the question, 'why do the lottery in the first place'?.....

Sorry to disappoint, but I'm far from the only one... Are you frustrated about not being able to see what is right in front of you?.....:Winky:

And what was that about 'all in it together'? But of course if you are 'big business', you get all the special treatment you want! Link And the expose... Link

Unfortunately they are in danger of becoming the unchecked arbiters in a 'law of the jungle' that you say we should worry about ... As those who 'watch the news or generally pay attention' should be able to tell you, violence by those who are supposed to police society inflames the situation, and just notches things up another level...And the fact that they are deemed to be above the law by the 'injustice' system does even more damage to the fabric of society.... There is every possibility that those thugs you fear'will be the police themselves, as anyone with even the slightest ability to look at history should be able to work out! What sort of 'jungle' was created in similar economic circumstances during the late twenties/early thirties do you suppose?.... Not exactly an 'endgame' to aspire to don't you think? :Winky: The thing we learn about history is that we don't learn from history....And those with a blinkered view of the world always forget that!

Why? An unacceptable crime, but then do you also remember Peach, Tomlinson and Menezes (amongst countless others)? You either ask a question, or you pass judgement...which is it? But what do you think will be the outcome?... :Winky:

And of course (for example), you don't see the 100,000 'suspected terrorists' stopped and harrassed last year either do you... Linky Linky And funnily enough, not a single terrorist to be found, so there must a lot of them 'bad apples' around! Not always to the same extent as this pig thug (as far as we know), but then I'm sure they are working on it :Winky: What seems to have been lost here is that when they put that uniform on they have to act beyond reproach, and be completely accountable since THEY WORK FOR US! Unfortunately in practice it is often the exact opposite!

That's a shame... I was going to trial run something for ALL1.... Oh well, it's the thought that counts :Laugh:

I only saw the option to put in a referring URL to an externally hosted image, instead of uploading a suitably small one to the forum as before... If I'm being blind, can you tell me where...cheers