sparks Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 And the cuts havn't even scratched the surface yet! Link The chaos has been put off a while with 'money printing', but that has only bought a bit of time....and it will be even worse as a result! I thought it would kick off this summer, but it looks like 2011 might be meltdown time... Unless of course governments are working to the mayan calendar... :Winky: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biscuit Eater Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 25% cuts could result in society breaking down. Should we have a repeat of last winter, the country will come to a standstill. I'm sure some will claim that it already does, but I can assure you, it will be nothing like before - far less staff and many who are inexperienced. Expect chaos. And that's just the roads All in all, I predict the lib dems to quit the coalition as a result in two years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted October 5, 2010 Author Share Posted October 5, 2010 Nice to see some are doing something, despite having no history of protest.... :Thumbs_Up1: Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alloneword Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Nice to see some are doing something, despite having no history of protest.... :Thumbs_Up1: Link I agree with everything they said :Winky: All1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted October 15, 2010 Author Share Posted October 15, 2010 The French are revolting... Link The BBC's Christian Fraser in Paris says another concern for the government will be the growing involvement of the student lobby. Students, who joined Tuesday's demonstrations in large numbers, held further protests on Friday. Riot police used tear gas and made 16 arrests as they fought running battles with secondary school students in the central city of Lyon. It's a pity our students are so gutless...the French are so right when they criticise our anglo-saxon values... or in other words our slavery to american commercialism! It's only a matter of time though until we come to our senses... vive la france! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alloneword Posted October 15, 2010 Share Posted October 15, 2010 The French are revolting...Tell us something we don't know Sparks :He-he: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted October 20, 2010 Author Share Posted October 20, 2010 Things are warming up... France burns as strike descends into violence France teetered on the edge of a complex and multi-layered crisis yesterday as petrol shortages worsened and violence by disaffected suburban youths spread and intensified...... The sense of crisis threatening the country came not from these "official" protests but from spreading blockages of schools and universities by students and by continuing strikes at oil refineries and the picketing of fuel distribution depots by hardline union branches. Of course our apathetic population will need more to stir them, but stir they will eventually... The chaos is coming...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
densh1 Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 I love the French they don't sit back and take shit like we do here,Good on em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted October 20, 2010 Author Share Posted October 20, 2010 I love the French they don't sit back and take shit like we do here,Good on em. Exactly... But I wonder what will eventually bring us on to the streets? The cancellation of X factor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alloneword Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 But I wonder what will eventually bring us on to the streets?Well it's very early days but from my limited understanding there will be a max payout of £500 per week for anyone on some form of benefits that will include everything now given they want rents to go up to 80% of market rates, for me that will take my rent from £100 a week to about £250 a week plus council tax, which i'm sure will go up plus the cash i get means i'm on about £375 but that's just me what about people round here, who have had family in this area for generations and have a family in say a 3 bed house rent on that alone will be £500 a week, so what the hell are they going to feed there kids, not everybody is a lazy sh1t who makes the choice to sit on the dole, so to meet govt targets then this family will have to move out of there home and move to somewhere cheaper, how is that going to help anyone, speaking as a kid who moved around a lot it does you no favors. I can see many people being made homeless as they are not able to make there rent payments, something does need to be done but this don't sit to well with me right now, as i say it's early days. I did get a phone call from a m8 tonight and we spoke about this and someone who has been going straight for the last 15 years is now considering going back to a certain amount of crime if this £500 limit comes in, i'm not saying he's right in his way of thinking but i'm sure he can't be the only one thinking that way and given were loosing more coppers i doubt if he'll be caught. I was surprised to see within hours a small demo at no;10 tonight but time will tell if it's going t o get worse i do think the brits are lazy and will take almost anything, except the loss of x-factor :Winky: All1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted October 21, 2010 Author Share Posted October 21, 2010 All1 TBH I'm not sure at all what the trigger will be... One thing is clear - we are seeing the start of the dismantling of the welfare state! Later on we will see the disappearance of the NHS as we know it, and most 'public' services will become available only to the rich and the so called poor. Recent governments have been very astute to avoid their own 'poll tax moment', and have been increasingly successful at 'divide and rule'. Note how easily they managed to get those working in the private sector to start moaning about public sector pensions being 'too good', instead of protesting as to why their private pensions had been raided which made them so much worse! Maybe I'm guilty of that too...I'm sure that there are many worthy cases out there, but by my estimation there are far more scrounging scumbags! I recall when maggie brought in the '90's recession, and due to our interest rate going up to about 14%, we were juggling 4 jobs between the two of us just to pay the mortgage. We put off having kids for a decade because we couldn't afford them, and yet on one of our night jobs (delivering curries) we would go back time and again to the same scroungers with their broods of abusive kids, new cars, sky dishes etc which we could never afford. We basically only ate for nearly 2 years on the food we got at that job! Of course we were accruing an asset called a house weren't we? - well it's an 'asset' that will be worthless soon! And yet many of those 'abusive kids' are now playing the same game having spawned the next generation of scoungers. The UK has been sucked dry by the scum at the top, and the scum at the bottom, and I've been paying for both! Nothing has changed in decades! A rebalancing needs to be done, and people have to realise that the safety net should be just that - not a way of life! In the same way, the w*nkers at the top need to be hammered! And the bottom line is ludicrous values put on everything need to plummet....your example of your rent is typical - the 80% level needs to come down, not your payments go up! What is happening is the 'invisible ones' are instructing governments to 'asset strip' countries to keep their system running for a little while longer! But if I were to bet on what will actually light the fuse, I would say it would be on an estate somewhere when one of these new measures leads to a (possibly wrong) eviction, which then spills over in the same way as the riots of the '80's. Only this time, as you observe, there won't be that many plods to contain it. Maybe then other protestors will jump on the bandwagon, and services/supplies drying up will fan the flames... And the funny thing is that these measures don't even start to tackle the debt we have, and just mean we are going to add to it more slowly - there is no way we can actually ever pay our national debt back, and when someone actually pulls the plug (as they surely will), we face total collapse. Whether the chaos comes when this happens, or whether the chaos causes it is the £3trillion question! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alloneword Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 Pheeewwww, your a bundle of laughs aren't you sparks? :Smiler: I used to live in Camberwell in the 80's and remember going round my area and seeing all these green coaches parked up with old bill sitting in them waiting for it to kick of in Brixton so remember that time well. You see the problem with welfare is IMO you do see these bods living a life of almost luxury on the dole and rightly so people who work get the hump with them the problem is not everyone on the dole is like that, were all being tarred with the same brush and i can see it ending in some very tragic circumstances for some people, i mean if you loose your home what do you have to live for. As for total debt this country is in i'm far from being a business analyst but even i can understand that when you add various things up were in deeper sh1t then most even know, there is the straight forward debt, money we owe from PFI/PPP and i think you mentioned pensions as well, i'm surprised so few people mention this. I don't know how we can make our commitments the TaxPayers’ Alliance done a report about it a few days ago and it can be found HERE the only way round it i can see is the IMF to step in and renegotiate many countries loans otherwise the place will be a nightmare. All1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted October 21, 2010 Author Share Posted October 21, 2010 Pheeewwww, your a bundle of laughs aren't you sparks? :Smiler: All1 Realism can be a drag sometimes... :Winky: I used to live in Camberwell in the 80's and remember going round my area and seeing all these green coaches parked up with old bill sitting in them waiting for it to kick of in Brixton so remember that time well. A mate's brother was in our local farce, and he looked forward to being drafted to london then (and also up north to tackle the miners), to do what he referred to as 'well-paid legal thuggery'! You see the problem with welfare is IMO you do see these bods living a life of almost luxury on the dole and rightly so people who work get the hump with them the problem is not everyone on the dole is like that, were all being tarred with the same brush and i can see it ending in some very tragic circumstances for some people, i mean if you loose your home what do you have to live for. I do differentiate...That's why I disagree with the policy on re-assessing someone's entitlement to a council house. So what if you start earning more, since in the private sector your rent isn't linked to your incoming money. Neither is a mortgage, although your eligibility to get one is... The other thing that is wrong here is council house 'transfer' restrictions...there was a case here of a guy who had lived with his parents all his life, caring for both of them to the end of their lives and on the death of the last one was given two months to move out of the house he had lived in for 48 years (since age 2) within 2 months....he threw himself under a train! But where I do have a problem is with the attitude of 'well I've got a house for life with benefits, so I won't ever work'...except 'on the black' of course! As for total debt this country is in i'm far from being a business analyst but even i can understand that when you add various things up were in deeper sh1t then most even know, there is the straight forward debt, money we owe from PFI/PPP and i think you mentioned pensions as well, i'm surprised so few people mention this. It's not mentioned widely, because if it were the chaos I believe is inevitable would merely be brought forward... I don't know how we can make our commitments the TaxPayers’ Alliance done a report about it a few days ago and it can be found HERE the only way round it i can see is the IMF to step in and renegotiate many countries loans otherwise the place will be a nightmare. My pessimism is not so great as to accept a lot of the conclusions of that link...although the debt we do have is unpayable! But funnily enough, I think the only way we can get out of this in the long run is to declare UK PLC bankrupt...And bringing in the IMF is the equivalent of commiting suicide! We actually contribute to the IMF whilst having a debt we cannot pay, so that is the economics of the asylum - and the strings attached to an IMF intervention are crippling...I know through my links with Iceland. It hasn't been reported that much here, but their assets are being stripped away in front of them and so many are losing absolutely everything! A recent relative who visited has lost 80% of his pension despite those running the pension funds getting off scot free. And he has personally thrown rocks at the parliament's windows at the age of 68 having never done anything slightly controversial in his life! Yes we will go back half a century, but we will have to learn to live sustainably again...that and learn mandarin, which our kids are starting next year - it's the best investment we can make for them IMO ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGuv Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 After reading a few posts I have decided to start touring the country giving out hugs, think Ill have to start with sparks, biscuit and A1W. :HUG: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted November 10, 2010 Author Share Posted November 10, 2010 Good, the students are finally getting the message... Link :Thumbs_Up1: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alloneword Posted November 10, 2010 Share Posted November 10, 2010 Yea watching it too, but to be honest i don't think any one (in power) will pay any attention with just student getting involved it's when joe bloggs gets involved i think will take a different turn to be honest i hope joe bloggs does get off his ar*e but not sure they will, someone on sky just mentioned the £6 billion and vodaphone you have to admit they have a point. All1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted November 10, 2010 Author Share Posted November 10, 2010 Yea watching it too, but to be honest i don't think any one (in power) will pay any attention with just student getting involved it's when joe bloggs gets involved i think will take a different turn to be honest i hope joe bloggs does get off his ar*e but not sure they will, someone on sky just mentioned the £6 billion and vodaphone you have to admit they have a point. All1 It has to start somewhere in a politically unaware country... So far I still stand by my prediction/hope that summer 2011 will be the flashpoint... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted November 10, 2010 Author Share Posted November 10, 2010 Student fees protest: 'This is just the beginning' "This is not what we pay the Met commissioner to do," one senior Conservative told the Guardian. well pardon me, but f*ck you mr 'senior conservative'... This is just the begining... :Winky: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 Student fees protest: 'This is just the beginning' well pardon me, but f*ck you mr 'senior conservative'... This is just the begining... :Winky: For once, I agree (to an extent) after all, the French riot for increasing pensions to 62, and the British just keep increasing - now 66 FGS! Where next ? You don't retire until 120 ? (but this won't apply to those MAKING the rules, remember) Nope, I just can't find it in my heart to condemn. These are the people who won't make the bankers - the ones who CAUSED the mess - pay, in fact they (LABOUR too, remember) make US pay for their cock-ups and turn a blind eye to them STILL giving themselves obscene bonuses. So yeah. Kick a few windows out for me too - I'll toast you tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted November 12, 2010 Author Share Posted November 12, 2010 For once, I agree (to an extent) after all, the French riot for increasing pensions to 62, and the British just keep increasing - now 66 FGS! Where next ? You don't retire until 120 ? (but this won't apply to those MAKING the rules, remember) Nope, I just can't find it in my heart to condemn. These are the people who won't make the bankers - the ones who CAUSED the mess - pay, in fact they (LABOUR too, remember) make US pay for their cock-ups and turn a blind eye to them STILL giving themselves obscene bonuses. So yeah. Kick a few windows out for me too - I'll toast you tonight. OK own up - who turned phil into a reasoned individual...lol Any more 'agreement' tonight and I'm going to have to renew my passport in order to head up north to buy you the beer for that toast !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djweeble Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 Discuss . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cGIS3-T7hc&feature=player_embedded :Scull: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted November 13, 2010 Author Share Posted November 13, 2010 Discuss . . . Unlike Mark Littlewood in that clip (co-founder of no2id), I don't have faith in this country's general population.... Because there are too many people who are too thick to stand on their own two feet!...That is partly due to successive government's policies, but also due to their inability to take control of their own lives! It's all become too easy! Well wake up people, 'cos there is a huge sh*t storm coming our way and there is nothing to stop it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djweeble Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 ... and this is frightening . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted November 13, 2010 Author Share Posted November 13, 2010 ... and this is frightening . . . The tax payer's alliance have doubled up the debts in that video.. £3.5trillion is nearer the mark... Still impossible to pay back though...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted November 24, 2010 Author Share Posted November 24, 2010 Excellent... I have been worried about the ability of the younger generation to challenge injustice, but this repeated protest gives me heart! Meanwhile in Ireland... Linky So ordinary people hit, and yet a big part of the solution is ignored...why is that? The government also said it would maintain the country's low level of corporation tax at 12.5%. Many commentators in the run up to the plan said raising this rate could be an easy way for the state to increase revenues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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