Alloneword Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Bomb gone of in Oslo, seems like they got timing wrong as someone said July is dead so some good news, 2 dead so far. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14252515 DJ I know you go in and out of Oslo, you ok m8? All1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 You beat me to that by the click of a button ALL1 ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djweeble Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Me and all mine are OK. Thanks for the concern guys. I'm sat here still shaking with anger . . . Latest NRK news reports are 7 dead in Oslo, 11 critically injured, hundreds of minor injuries. 8 children dead at Utoya island youth camp, no numbers on injured yet Norway will never be the same again after this :Furious: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alloneword Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 I'm sat here still shaking with anger . . .I bet you are m8, glad you and co are ok, must admit Norway was the last place i'd expect to be hit, don't know what to say to be honest m8 apart from my thoughts are with you and your family right now. All1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djweeble Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Now reports of over 20 kids shot dead at close range on the island, and some drowned trying to swim away, lots of injured, mainly head shots :Furious: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Me and all mine are OK. Thanks for the concern guys. I'm sat here still shaking with anger . . . Latest NRK news reports are 7 dead in Oslo, 11 critically injured, hundreds of minor injuries. 8 children dead at Utoya island youth camp, no numbers on injured yet Norway will never be the same again after this :Furious: 25 to 30 reported dead at the camp atm apparently... Norway will never be the same as you say...But that's what those who commit these atrocities want. However, this type of carnage is an almost daily event in countries we in the west (including Norway) have invaded, so maybe it's not so unexpected as we would like to think! The really sad thing is that a relatively safe/open country such as Norway will now enact (imo) more draconian laws in the 'war on terror', and the only people to suffer will be Norwegians! Norway was a beacon of hope in the Middle East peace process (until Israel/America vetoed their reasonable solution), so maybe we ought to be looking elsewhere for the perpertrators! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djweeble Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 maybe we ought to be looking elsewhere for the perpertrators! Maybe we should . . . Just heard Norwegian foreign minister confirm on TV that the gunman on the island was WHITE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Maybe we should . . . Just heard Norwegian foreign minister confirm on TV that the gunman on the island was WHITE. Something more to this I think, despite the official 'terrorist' line.. Wtf is Obama involved so soon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Reports of 80 dead now, and a possible neo-nazi link... Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamer Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Now they are reporting 91 dead, this is terrible news, glad your okay DJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 It seems that not one 'religion' has a monopoly on violence... What are the gun laws in Norway like, DJ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djweeble Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 I just got up and watched the news while having some breakfast, 84 children dead, I can't believe it, and they are saying that the numbers WILL rise. What are the gun laws in Norway like, DJ? Very similar to the old laws in the UK, with the exception that there is a very strong hunting tradition here, and a much bigger percentage of the population have hunting rifles. You do have to jump through far more hoops to get a hunting licence, and that includes passing proper educational courses and hands on training at Police run examinations. IIRC, anyone in the military is automatically allowed to possess weapons, but their use for hunting is still restricted to passing the normal exams and courses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djweeble Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Found in the readers comments on a website of a Norwegian newspaper The attacks on Norway were undertaken by a Christian Fundamentalist Conservative, not the Far Right. The Far Right all across Europe condemns these evil and despicable attacks on all people. The primary victims of these attacks were Indigenous Norwegians, not immigrants. It was our people who died in the attacks, yet the media are lying about the reason for the attacks. The attacks were against the Labour Party government and Labour Party activists. This was an attack by a maniac who was; A Freemason - a 3rd degree initiate from his local lodge A Zionist A Conservative Party supporter An Anti-Nazi who supported Max Manus and the Norweigian Resistance This was not a Far Right attack, this is much worse than that. This was an attack from a member of the ruling elite against the elite. This was an Inside Job by a member of the elite, and if the elite have become so radicalised they will bomb their own country and people then the West is in real trouble. Will the Freemasons now join the Islamists and Zionists as threats to our society ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Plenty of theories out there... Whatever the cause, no doubt we'll see toughened 'security' in Norway now, just as in every other western country! btw, the freemasons are already a threat to society, and have been for years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djweeble Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Police are now asking people to be extra vigilant as they believe there was another person involved. The guy purchased SIX TONES of fertiliser in May, that's enough to make one huge bomb, much bigger than was used in Oslo, or lots of smaller ones. :Surprise: Death toll still at 84 on the island and 7 in Oslo, but there are 11 critically injured from Oslo and no figures released yet from the island. Both locations are still being searched for any further people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamer Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 I heard today that this only carries a maximum sentence of 21 years in Norway? this cannot be correct can it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 It appears so... Where convicts lead the good life In Norway, there are no death sentences — or even life sentences. The maximum jail term anyone can receive is 21 years, including for murder. Most people will serve two-thirds of their term before being released. Convicts retain the right to vote and can exercise it while in jail. However, I feel a law change coming on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamer Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 It appears so... Where convicts lead the good life However, I feel a law change coming on! Holiday camps like the UK then :thumbs-down1: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alloneword Posted July 23, 2011 Author Share Posted July 23, 2011 Holiday camps like the UK then :thumbs-down1: Ain't that the truth, maybe he could get 21 years for each life he took, or maybe someone will deal with him inside. All1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndLoser Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Been watching this on Aljazeera TV - the guy had registered himself as a farmer in order to obtain large quantities of fertilizer and police described the weapon he used on the island as a "machine pistol" a fully automatic weapon (if the gun laws in Norway are like the old UK gun laws this type of weapon would've come under a part 5 firearms certificate usually only granted to gunsmiths, although I knew a retired military officer who legally owned a working sterling sub machine gun back in the day). From his photos the guy looks like a male model! Glad you're ok dj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavy1 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Put the ###### in a room with the parents of all the children who died and give them each one punch at him and if he survives then start another round. Been watching this on Aljazeera TV - the guy had registered himself as a farmer in order to obtain large quantities of fertilizer and police described the weapon he used on the island as a "machine pistol" a fully automatic weapon (if the gun laws in Norway are like the old UK gun laws this type of weapon would've come under a part 5 firearms certificate usually only granted to gunsmiths, although I knew a retired military officer who legally owned a working sterling sub machine gun back in the day). From his photos the guy looks like a male model! Glad you're ok dj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 DJ... The reason I asked about the gun laws in Norway is because of.... Link Breivik had talked admiringly online about conversations he had had with unnamed English Defence League members and the organisation Stop the Islamification of Europe (SIOE) over the success of provocative street actions leading to violence. "I have on some occasions had discussions with SIOE and EDL and recommended them to use certain strategies," he wrote two years ago. "The tactics of the EDL are now to 'lure' an overreaction from the Jihad Youth/Extreme-Marxists, something they have succeeded in doing several times already." If our nutters have access to weapons, then it is only a matter of time here....! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djweeble Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 This guy carefully planned the stuff he carried out, and it's fully documented, he made Youtube video's about his thoughts and what he would do, and even writes that he wanted to be captured alive so he would become a martyr :Surprise: It's all out there on the net if you want to see it; Torrent users . . . . http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6561147/Anders_Behring_Breivik_a___Manifest_and_Video WARNING: BE VERY CAREFUL IF YOU DOWNLOAD THIS, THE DOCUMENT CONTAINS FULL DETAILS ON HOW TO MAKE THE BOMB HE USED, EVEN DOWN TO HOW TO GET HOLD OF THE CHEMICALS ETC. NOT A GOOD THING TO BE CAUGHT "IN POSSESSION OF" IN SOME COUNTRIES (EUSSR) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 As in my earlier scepticism over the initial speculation over blame, I reckon there is something more to this.... When working out 'why', it's normally necessary to work out who will benefit ! At the moment (based on the reporting), things don't quite add up so far IMO... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djweeble Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 I've been having a browse through some of the later pages of his "manifesto", it's amazing !! This guy was no madman, this is almost a novel written in the form of a diary, in a detailed and completely logical manner. Using the information contained in the last hundred or so pages literally anyone could do the same as he did in just about any "westernised" country out there. He even goes deeply, deeply, into depth, on how to set up "cover stories" and companies to account for why you are buying large quantities of the some of the chemicals, and how he went about concealing everything from his friends and family. One of the most intriguing things about this though is, where is the rest of the explosives ?? He made nearly 6 tonnes of the stuff, and only used 1800Kg for the Oslo bomb, so there's potentially two more of them out there somewhere :Struggle: He even mentions "20 charges" and "blast sites" There's a lot more to come out about this yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 And so the change in Norway begins... Gun massacre hearing to be held in private Put something behind closed doors, and it will multiply... Funnily though, given his links to extreme religious beliefs and 'Knights Templar', the media in general is not calling him a 'Christian Terrorist'..... I wonder what they would have been saying if perhaps he had been a follower of Islam? ... :Winky: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndLoser Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 He obviously thought he'd have a moment of fame and glory in court - why grant him the satisfaction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alloneword Posted July 25, 2011 Author Share Posted July 25, 2011 He obviously thought he'd have a moment of fame and glory in court - why grant him the satisfaction? Justice needs to be seen to be done, not behind closed doors, very few reason to have a case behind closed doors IMO and this ain't one, bad news IMO All1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndLoser Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Justice needs to be seen to be done, not behind closed doors, very few reason to have a case behind closed doors IMO and this ain't one, bad news IMO All1 Breivik made clear in an internet manifesto that he planned to turn his court appearance into theatre, preparing a speech for his appearance in court even before launching the attacks, and then requesting an open hearing in which he would wear a uniform. Both of those requests were denied. Isn't that the bit they don't want him to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Justice needs to be seen to be done, not behind closed doors, very few reason to have a case behind closed doors IMO and this ain't one, bad news IMO All1 Yep...as I said before, this is a wrong turn - Norway, ffs learn from what we have done wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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