Jamer Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 A man stabs an intruder who breaks into his home and is arrested, suspected of murder? WTF? surely he should be given an award not arrested! World has gone mad! http://www.bbc.co.uk...hester-14963811 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 To be fair to plod (did I just say that?), any death has to be investigated. If as reported, then there should of course be no charges... But the trouble we have in this country is that means his arrest will be recorded for 'enhanced checks', and his DNA and fingerprints stored indefinately - despite that being ruled illegal ! Maybe he should have been questioned under caution... Although the legislation has not yet been changed, it will be interesting to see the intepretation of the government's intentions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rother Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Just what I thought too Jamer. No burglar or robber is ever going to be harmed by me unless he breaks into my house and I catch him in there. I have a wooden baseball bat always handy - it would be introduced to his head very swiftly and without preamble. I will sort the paperwork out at the police station later. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Grumpy Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Totally agree with Jamer. Anyone who breaks in is fair game to anything the homeowner needs to do and the homeowner should get a reward for taking another criminal off of the streets permanently. Saves the country thousands. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mossy Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 This is the second such stabbing up in this area in as little as 4 months. The first one I know the dad of lad who got stabbed. I like others have said, would have no hesitation in sorting any intruder who comes into my house. A 3 iron around the chops would indeed be classed as self defence. Mossy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 I think it's taken as read that anyone would defend their family/property in a similar way... But personally I'm a bit smarter (as regards keeping a baseball bat in a house that probably has no connection with that sport), and a bit more choosey about which implement to keep handy that would do the same damage without arousing suspicion... :Winky: But what Jamer originally posted was questioning the arrest...that has nothing to do with any charges that may or may not arise. Do we then just assume that any 'reported burglar' who has been killed 'got what he deserved', or do we ascertain the facts? I reserve my judgement in this case, just the same as I do with other reports from plod....because I recall a case where a burglar was fleeing, hunted down, and killed in an act of retrospective vigilantism. Is that what people would want as our justice system? I suspect that this incident will be proven to be one that will play out to be as it appears...but unless 'due process' happens, then we go back to the law of the jungle... And that means there will always be someone that has a bigger weapon than you Rother! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamer Posted September 19, 2011 Author Share Posted September 19, 2011 Sorry, but if I was disturbed by a burgler in my own house, he would have it! no messing around, especially if my kids were here, then it would be even worse for them! simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 As would I Jamer... But think about it...Is it easier to explain away a baseball bat by the door, or an equally efficient diy tool? It's all very well to get a bit 'gung ho' about this, but what protection could you give to your kids from a police cell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndLoser Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Easy peasy smash the ###### around the head until he appears not to be moving, go find a hammer from your toolkit, place firmly into the intruders hand then ring the police. Ta-da justifiable force, exactly the defence they rely on when somebody dies in custody :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djweeble Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Easy peasy smash the ###### around the head until he appears not to be moving, go find a hammer from your toolkit, place firmly into the intruders hand then ring the police. Ta-da justifiable force, exactly the defence they rely on when somebody dies in custody :D Unlike when the Rozzers do something wrong, DNA and forensic evidence would have you "bang to rights" in no time at all. I'd be tempted to think the same way, but I've dealt the hard way with the Plod Dorset Jackboot Goons, so think carefully about it and come up with a really plausible method. I do agree with the guy being initially arrested, as Plod have to "investigate" the circumstances of any suspicious death, but I do hope that he has no charges brought against him. AND, if you think that it's not a suspicious death, just think outside the box for a moment . . . what would happen if you had an argument with someone, dragged/lured them into your your house, and killed them. Then you call the Filth and claim you caught a burglar in the act . . . . you can bet it's going to happen somewhere, sometime, when/if they change the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
densh1 Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Do we then just assume that any 'reported burglar' who has been killed 'got what he deserved' Yes if he was in someone elses house,Good on anyone who kills these scum breaking into houses i would do the same if i had the chance.Oh and someone should go outside to the flowers the scumbags family and friends have been leaving for the dead piece of shit and find a nice skip for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Yes if he was in someone elses house,Good on anyone who kills these scum breaking into houses i would do the same if i had the chance. Ah, so you boldly 'claim' you would attack someone with the intention of killing them merely if you found them in your house 'if you had the chance', regardless of any actual threat ?... That then is murder and not self defence...hence why there must always be an investigation, as there's a world of difference! Futhermore is it not a tad worrying to have anyone who would happily kill, based on their own moral code, mingling freely in society? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badlad Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 So what would you do sparks if you found a masked intruder in your house in the middle of the night, when you have your wife and kids there to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndLoser Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 I've got a 12 bore but I wouldn't use it unless I thought the burgular had one too which, as the current law stands in principal, would be justifiable force... Wouldn't like to test that though as I may need the gun in the event of the forthcoming complete collapse of society! Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alloneword Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 So what would you do sparks if you found a masked intruder in your house in the middle of the night, when you have your wife there to? Shake his hand bung him £50 and tell to take her now...... Sorry m8 could not resit it. :Smiler: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonfly Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Ah, so you boldly 'claim' you would attack someone with the intention of killing them merely if you found them in your house 'if you had the chance', regardless of any actual threat ?... That then is murder and not self defence...hence why there must always be an investigation, as there's a world of difference! Futhermore is it not a tad worrying to have anyone who would happily kill, based on their own moral code, mingling freely in society? Sparks you make me smile, in a good way. Are you sure you're not a Barrister ? But I'm sure you know, how it rolls, especially if someone was in your house uninvited. Firstly you'd you ask them to kindly vacate the premises otherwise, if that person refused to be escorted the premises & became violent, I'm sure like most of us on this Forum, you'd go buck wild & kick the living daylights out the person & then say please don't come back anymore.. :Fun: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 So what would you do sparks if you found a masked intruder in your house in the middle of the night, when you have your wife and kids there to? As I've said earlier, protect them up to and including using the same force that appears to be the case here - if the situation warranted it ! And that's the difference between a practical approach, and a gung ho 'let me at 'em' one, which is mostly bluster I suspect... Shake his hand bung him £50 and tell to take her now...... Sorry m8 could not resit it. :Smiler: I'd give him at least £100...lol But seriously though, if the idea is to protect your family then the best way is to get the intruder out of the house....if that means them leaving with some of your possesions, then so be it. They can be replaced! Violence should only be used when all else fails, although it may also be the first option in a certain situation... You have to be able to justify your actions, given our f*cked up injustice system, which means giving plod as little grounds of charging you as possible...hence why a suitable diy tool is a lot more convincing to have around than a baseball bat! And easier to wield in an enclosed space! Are you sure you're not a Barrister ? Funnily enough I thought about that as a career at one time.... Then I met one.... :Winky: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Grumpy Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Being disabled has its advantages like having a nice heavy walking stick around instead of something like a baseball bat that I'm never likely to use properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamer Posted October 7, 2011 Author Share Posted October 7, 2011 The CPS have said today that no charges against the man who stabbed the intruder. Result! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 As expected - after due process! This one might go the other way.. Suspected burglar found shot and man arrested A man in his 60s has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder after a suspected burglar was shot. Police were called to Leigh Sinton, Worcestershire, on Wednesday. A man in his 20s was found with gunshot wounds. The shooting is being linked to a burglary in Whitbourne, Herefordshire. A man has been held on suspicion of attempted murder and the cultivation of controlled drugs. A cannabis cultivation operation was found at a property in Whitbourne. Another man in his 20s was arrested on suspicion of burglary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
densh1 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Ahh justice has been done pity he didn't knife the other scum aswell,Poor bastards are too frightened to stay in there own house now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alloneword Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 The CPS have said today that no charges against the man who stabbed the intruder. Result!Don't know about result m8 he still had all the grief and hassle on fingerprints and DNA taken, now if that was destroyed then i'd agree but as it stands now I'd be well p1ssed if i was him All1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamer Posted October 10, 2011 Author Share Posted October 10, 2011 Don't know about result m8 he still had all the grief and hassle on fingerprints and DNA taken, now if that was destroyed then i'd agree but as it stands now I'd be well p1ssed if i was him All1 So they can keep his DNA even though he has not been charged? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 So they can keep his DNA even though he has not been charged? Where have you been during my rants over this for the last decade Jamer... :Fun: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alloneword Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 So they can keep his DNA even though he has not been charged?Yes Jamer and what right do they have to keep it, I have no problem to being nicked AND having my DNA taken but once it's been checked and found i'm not wanted for anything it should be destroyed, the EU has even said the UK Govt is breaking the law and we still keep on doing it, and even if the govt said they would destroy would YOU trust them to honour there word, no matter what the colour of govt, ask Sparks he knows shed loads more about it then me.. All1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 People are often arrested just in order to take their DNA regardless of whether they are even questioned or not, but what people have to understand is the difference between a DNA match and an entry on a DNA database. When a crime is committed there will usually be a myriad of DNA lying around, especially when 'partial DNA sequencing' is being used....merely trying to match up the DNA of someone arrested to the DNA crime database causes so many false positives that the system becomes a vast waste of time. The majority of us have probably left their DNA at a 'crime scene', so how do we discriminate between an innocent and a possible perpetrator? Plod seems to think that if they go on 'fishing' missions, they will solve more crimes...unfortunately the 'clear up' rate for most serious crimes has steadily fallen (despite the headline 'successes') over the last two decades despite the 'wonders' of DNA - because plod has lost the art of real policing due to their reliance on technology... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alloneword Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 especially when 'partial DNA sequencing' is being used....Is that the same as "Low copy DNA" Sparks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 No, although that is equally prone to errors... What I was referring to is basically a 'best guess' approach when doing a DNA database search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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